Jagdtiger z Polski-plotka..?

[@ndrew]

Od razu powiem że nie mam potwierdzenie tej wiadomości-a na szczegóły natknołem się na forum:

http://www.panzer-archiv.marcof.de/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2675&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=30

Wydało mi się dość ciekawe więc zapodaje temat pod dyskusje.O ile wiem to JT nie walczyły w Polsce,a najbliże były w Austri.

Oto co piszą:
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Two Jagdtiger questions
Posted By: Oddball
Date: Wednesday, 21 June 2000, at 4:59 p.m.
No.1
Has anyone seen any proof that the so-called Simonides"-Jagdtiger (discovered in
Poland", will be restaured to full running order",with a Chieftain engine", hey hope to tow it out of the wood this summer",...)
is a reality?
no. 2
Is there any photo that shows a Jagdtiger mounting a 8,8cm gun?
T(h)anks

Re: Two Jagdtiger questions
Posted By: Kevin Adams
Date: Wednesday, 21 June 2000, at 6:38 p.m.
In Response To: Two Jagdtiger questions (Oddball)
I have been wondering about the Simonides Jagdtiger for quite a while myself. I really
find it hard to believe that they can't even share a picture with us. I really hope it is true.
As for the 88 slinging jagdtiger's, I built a 1/35 one from DML's late production
Jagdtiger, but I have never come across a picture or heard of any. I have my doubts that
they ever exsisted.
Later,
Kevin

Re: Two Jagdtiger questions
Posted By: George Hallsworth
Date: Thursday, 22 June 2000, at 2:53 p.m.
In Response To: Two Jagdtiger questions (Oddball)
I was one of those who took up their free offer, mentioned on this list last year, of going
out and looking at the beast. Two days there and two days back in a Landrover is not
the finest of journeys but it was well worth the effort just to see it.
They were very strict - no photographs video or GPS systems and we all had to sign
forms stating that we wouldn't mention where it was and limiting what we could say etc
(Financial penalties!!)
The thrill of climbing over a vehicle that you know was involved in one of the last battles
of the war is quite a buzz. Nearby is the JSU that knocked it out or the remains of I
should say as it appears that the german infantry knocked it out in turn with
Panzerfausts.
I am sure they won't mind me saying that its called the polish jagdtiger because it was
discovered ON an expedition TO Poland and the chieftain engine thing is just to provide
it with some power while they recover it. recovering it is a BIG problem for them due to
the weight - 100tons? and the fact that they have to get it over an underground river with
a bridge class of about 10 tons.
I can understand them being secretive about it as its just lying there in the woods and
anyone could come along and remove it if they knew where it was.
Everyone came away with a souvenier - a link of 5 empty 7.92mm from the loads that
still litter the front compartment.
Magic!
The simonides secretary Jim Webster frequents this list so why not ask him some
questions?
GH

Re: One Jagdtiger answer
Posted By: Oddball
Date: Thursday, 22 June 2000, at 3:15 p.m.
In Response To: Re: Two Jagdtiger questions (George Hallsworth)
Wow! (what can I say) The first eye-witness account that I have found (I&m new to this
forum, joint the internet community only 3 months ago).
Right now there is just one little thing that I would like to know -
WHAT KIND OF GUN DOES IT HAVE (88mm/128mm)?
that can&t be a secret
Thanks for this info!

Re: Two Jagdtiger questions
Posted By: Kevin Adams
Date: Thursday, 22 June 2000, at 7:01 p.m.
In Response To: Re: Two Jagdtiger questions (George Hallsworth)
Three questions:
1.Does this Jagdtiger look pretty much the same as the standard Jagdtiger with the
exception of the 88? 2. Is the gun the same 8.8cm L/71 KwK 43 that the King Tiger
carried? 3. Did it have a brake?
Kevin

Prove it.
Posted By: Donald Campbell
Date: Friday, 23 June 2000, at 8:55 a.m.
In Response To: Re: Two Jagdtiger questions (George Hallsworth)
Hi, George.
I 'm afraid I'm a little sceptical about the existence of this vehicle. As for fitting a Chieftain
engine, that is absurd. I would be grateful if you could 'lean' on your contacts to provide
documentary evidence that this is gen-up, and not complete fiction as I suspect. All it
would take is one photo, which would hardly divulge the location. What do they have to
lose?Of course I will be glad to be proved wrong, but until then I will continue to dismiss
this as complete nonsense.
Don

Re: Prove it.
Posted By: Ron Klages
Date: Friday, 23 June 2000, at 3:49 p.m.
In Response To: Prove it. (Donald Campbell)
You ask What to they have to lose."
I would reply what do they have to gain.
When the time is right, they will share.

Re: Prove it.
Posted By: John Hammond
Date: Friday, 23 June 2000, at 4:53 p.m.
In Response To: Prove it. (Donald Campbell)
I was on the October trip to see it last year and George is right - it is an experience. I
was most intrigued to find that you consider it a myth so what I and 5 others visited was
an optical illusion. Interesting.
They had some stuff about it up on the web site and under pressure they put up a few
photographs but then they were annoyed at a certain minority who continually pestered
them for the location so they just removed the pages from public view. One thing I have
gathered from a few others is that if you start inferring that the vehicle does not even
exist then your chances of getting on one of the check-out trips is practically zero.
If you accuse them of telling an untruth then you receive a solicitors letter very quickly indeed.
These trips incidentally are free travel. You just have to get yourself to a central location
and if you can get on one then do take the chance as it is well worth it. I believe they go
every three or four months and last five days with a stopover at places like Munster
thrown in.
JH

Re: Prove it.
Posted By: Oddball
Date: Friday, 23 June 2000, at 5:37 p.m.
In Response To: Re: Prove it. (John Hammond)
I hate to bother you, I asked it earlier: What kind of gun 88/128mm???
Please...

Re: Prove it.
Posted By: Kevin Adams
Date: Friday, 23 June 2000, at 5:54 p.m.
In Response To: Re: Prove it. (Oddball)
It's supposed to have an 88.
Kevin

Simonides
Posted By: Donald Campbell
Date: Friday, 23 June 2000, at 6:04 p.m.
In Response To: Re: Prove it. (John Hammond)
Hi, John.
Thanks for your reply. To be honest, I was unaware of the existence of the Simonides
Group until today, when I decided to have a look at the website. I was quite impressed
actually, in fact if I had known of it I would have joined long ago. As it is, I've submitted
my details for membership (if they'll have me!) and await confirmation.
Having not been online until about 9 months ago, I was unaware of the presentation of
photos on the website, so the only knowledge I have of this project is what I have read
here. As a natural sceptic, and in the absence(to my knowledge)of any documentary
evidence, I hope you can understand my frustration about this. If anyone was offended by
my posts, I apologise.
Cheers,
Don

Re: Simonides
Posted By: Don Jones
Date: Saturday, 24 June 2000, at 6:41 a.m.
In Response To: Simonides (Donald Campbell)
Could you please give us the web address, I would like to see for mysef what the site is
all about. Cheers, D. Jones
web address for Simonides Group
Posted By: Donald Campbell
Date: Saturday, 24 June 2000, at 9:56 a.m.
In Response To: Re: Simonides (Don Jones)
http://www.homeusers.prestel.co.uk/simonides/home.htm
No problem. Don
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Co o tym sadzicie-prawda czy nie-troche dużo szczegółów jak na plote...chociaż nie uwieże dopóki nie będzie fotek.

Pzdr.
@ndrew

[yoony]

zajrzyj jeszcze na ML tam to dopiero byla dyskusja
rowniez bez jakiegos sedna
a temamt powraca co jakis czas tak samo jak sturmtigera z 88mm